
One blight of genealogical research is the need to conjure up pedigrees where no proof of them exists. So it was in the 19th century, when pedigree-makers gave their audience a seamless account of relationships between families. The Paynels are an examplar of such, with Ralph Paynel of Domesday Yorkshire being a named as a son of a William Paynel, of unknown origin, not of Moutiers Hubert and Hambye by any known evidence; fiefs that devolved to Ralph’s son, William. The ‘William of unknown origin’ was conjectured as the father of a Foulques, whose son, Ralph m. (probably) Hawise de Ferrers.
However it may have been:
Under the Mortain fee, Ralph de Paynel held Hamelton and Armyn of that place under Ilbert de Lacy; Ralph having married Ilbert’s sister or daughter (Clay,114). Ralph secondly married Matilda de Sourdeval, daughter of Ralph de Sourdeval (Thoresby), whose sister married Robert Brus II. of Skelton.
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2. Foulques Paynel.
3. Ralph Paynel.
4. Gervase Paynel. The connection of Gervase Paynel to the armorial bearings of Beaumonts is in one sense problematic: “The priory (of Dudley) being founded by Gervase Paganel, Lord of Dudley, in pursuance of the pious intent of his father, as appears by its foundation charter, a copy of which is in the “Monasticon” of Dugdale. This Gervase, having married Isabella, daughter of Robert, Earl of Leicester, appears to have borne the arms of the Earls of Leicester; for the arms attributed to them by Dugdale and the Heraldic Dictionaries are, “Gules, a cinquefoil ermine, with a crescent for difference;” which coat is also borne among the quarterings of the present senior co-heir to the barony of Dudley, for Paganel” (G.M., vol. 201, p. 207, 1856).
This is misleading. This is the coat quartered by the Suttons, Wards, and Leas for Paynel of Dudley, to whom they intermarried, and, subsequently quartered their own arms with that of the ancient Beaumonts; wherehas “the seal of Gervase Paganel, feudal Baron of Dudley, to a charter, dated the 33rd of Henry II., confirming certain grants of his father and grandfather to the monks of Newport, displays two lions passant” (Henry Sydney Grazebrook, The Heraldry of Worcestershire, vol . 2, p. 419, 1873).
This is not to say that descendants of Gervase and William Paynel did not use the Beaumont armorial.
Joseph Foster’s work (Feudal coats of arms from heraldic rolls 1298-1418), which gives the earliest (and therefore most genuine) account of armorial bearings, illustrates that only in one instance (Sir John Paynel, of co. Linc.), were cinqufoils bore by a Paynel (gules, a cinquefoil argent; Parl. Roll); a common enough bearing.
4. William Paynel, m. Julian, dau. and heir of Robert de Bahuntune, and so acquired the lordship of Bahuntune, in the county of Devon; d. before 1180.
5. Adam Paynel or “de Hamelton” (Campbell, ‘Lives of the Chancellors’, vol. i, p. 183), the father of William de Hamelton, the Chancellor, Dean of York, and Robert de Osgodby, who held Osgodby in 1284-5 (Feud. Aids, vi. 37; Cal. Rot. Chart., 133). “The next of this name noticed is Adam Paynel (also presumed another son of William Paynel and Julian Bahuntune); which Adam, the 6th of Richard I. paid twenty millings scutage upon the king’s redemption, and married the widow of William Fitz-Williams, sister and coheir of Robert Bardolf, lord of Hoo, in Kent, and of castle Carleton, in com. Lincs”. (Banks). Adam de Hameldon or Hamelton, m. “a daughter of Hugh Bardolf’ of Great Carlton and Hoo. Hugh Bardolf had five daughters who became co-heirs of their brother, Robert Bardolf, described as the uncle (avunculus) of Jordan Foliot, and Ralph Paynel” (Excerpta e Rotulis Finium, p. 129), sons of Richard Foliot and Adam Paynel.
Adam’s marriage is of central importance in understanding how he inherited the lands of Sampson de la Pomoray, whose mother was the cousin of his father-in-law.
6. Ralph Paynel.
6. Robert de Osgodby, mentioned in Kirkby’s Inquest in 1284 as holding of the Bishop of Durham three carucates of land in Osgodby, the fourth part of a knight’s fee, by military service. (Surtees Soc., p. 242, 1887).
7. Matthew de Osgodby. ‘Grant, for good service rendered by Matthew de Osgodby, to Robert de Osgodby his father of a weekly market on Wednesday at his manor of Osgodby, co. York’. (Charter Rolls).
7. Walter de Osgodby, in the Scottish war of 1310 (Burton, Hemingbrough). (See app.).
7. Adam de Osgodby (alias Adam de Hamelton), Master of the Rolls. His inq. of October 8, 1316, shows that he had conveyed to Walter de Osgodby, his brother, a messuage of 50 acres in “Newhagh in Drax,” and that John, son of John de Osgodby, was his next heir. In 1319, Walter de Osgodby sold this property to William de Cliffe, clerk, through whom it came to Henry de Cliffe, who settled it upon his chantry of Cliffe at Hemingbrough. Adam de Osgodby was interred in Lincoln Cathedral, under a marble stone, bearing a cross and numerous escutcheons.
7. Robert de Osgodby, m. Agnes, d. of Edmund de Muleford.
7. Richard de Osgodby, prebendary of York, and vicar of Bubwith in 1316, of the patronage of his great-uncle.
7. John de Osgodby, held Newhay in 1342. The lord of Drax at Domesday was Ralph Paynel, from whom it went in hereditary descent to the Stanegraves of Newhay and the Pateshulls. Henry de Stanegrave m. a dau. of Jordan Foliot. He gave 28 acres in Newhay to Drax Priory, the Paynels foundation, confirming all that his freeholders had given to it. These donations to Drax are recorded in Burton’s Monasticon, and are taken from the Chartulary of Drax which was in the possession (1888) of Lord Herries (Maxwell), of Everingham Park. The Stanegraves retained property in Newhay, which descended to Isabel, dau. of John de Stanegrave, who m. Simon de Pateshull. In 1314, their son, John de Pateshull, granted to Adam de Osgodby all his lands, in Newhay, in which Adam had already a life-interest by the grant of Isabel, dau. of John de Stanegrave, the donor’s mother. (Burton, Hemingbrough, 294).
8. John de Osgodby, the “next heir” of his uncle, “of the age of fifteen years at the last Lent”; an assumption being that Walter, Adam’s br., had no male issue, which is almost made certain by his wife’s heirs being her nephews. (See CP 25/1/135/74, number 19). It can not be discounted that this John de Osgodby received land in Hameldon from his uncle, or that he took the name of Hamilton; or that he adopted the armorial of Robert, Earl of Leicester; or that he went to Scotland. His family had many shared associations with the Colvilles, from whom almost certainly came Walter FitzGilbert (de Hamilton).
6. William de Hamelton, Dean of York, and chief Chancery officer, was patron to a number of Chancery officers who originated within a few miles of his home in Brayton, Selby. (See app.).
2. Ralf Paynel, lord of Hameldun, gifted West Rasen Church to Holy Trinity, York. Under the Mortain fee, Ralph de Paynel held Hameldun and Armyn of that place under Ilbert de Lacy; Ralph having married Ilbert’s sister or daughter (Clay,114). Ralph secondly married Matilda de Sourdeval, daughter of Ralph de Sourdeval (Thoresby), whose sister married Robert Brus II. of Skelton.
3. Jordan Paynel (by Ralph’s second wife), fl. 1147. He witnessed the gift of Walter de Gand (1125-1130) to Holy Trinity, York, and Inherited the holdings of Richard de Sourdeval. He m. Gertrude Fossard (sans issue), widow of Robert de Meinil, and dau. of Robert Fossard, son of Nigel.
3. Alexander Paynel (by Ralph’s second wife), m. Agnes Fossard, Gertrude’s sister. Jordan and Alexander Paynel were half-brothers of William Paynel, whose dau. Frethesant, was the wife of Henry de Newmarch, br. of Adam. Of these, I have given account previously.
4. William Paynel.
5. Alexander Paynel. ‘Domesday Descendants’ records that William Paynell and his wife had a son “Alexander who died in his lifetime”. After his brother’s death, he was heir to Hameldun. He is recorded in Feodarium Prioratus Dunelmensis, The Publications of the Surtees Society, vol. 58, p. 125, 1872, as “Jordano de Hameldun et Alexandro fratre suo”.
5. Jordan Paynel, alias Jordan de Hameldon/Osgodby. In 1204, the manor of Osgodby (6 miles fr. Hameldon, near Selby) was held in demesne by Jordan de Hameldon, otherwise known as Jordan of Osgodby (E.Y.C. ii, p. 329). He held Osgodgby and Hameldon for a 4th part of a knight’s fee, saving the right of the bishop of Durham (of the interest arising from the fines paid at his Court Lete). These rights gave rise to the erroneous assumption that Jordan’s holding of Hameldon was in Durham. Jordan was a feudatory of Robert de Turneham and Joan (Fossard) his wife, they obtaining an acknowledgement from him of their feudal right in 3 carucates in Osgodby, which they then regranted to him for the service mentioned.
6. Walter de Hameldun, mentioned in a grant of 2 bovates in Osgodby by his father to Selby Abbey. Walter de Hameldun’ appealed Robert de le Bere of robbery and of abducting the wife of Samson de la Pomerai and has not followed it up. (Curia Regis, 1198-1202). Samson de la Pomerai and Robertus de Falaise, securities for prosecution.
6. Dyonesia Paynel, m. Sampson de la Pomeroy. (Yorks. Fines, 1218-31, p. 54). He succeeded to Osgodby. (Pomeroy alias Chevreville; descendants of Roger de Chievre of La Pommeraie, in Calvados, arrondissement Falaise, canton Thury-Harcourt; “Infeudationes Militum”, 1172. Dyonisia and Sampson held Osgodby in 1246 of Peter de Mauley and his wife, Isabel de Turnham. Their son, Peter de Mauley, m. Joan de Brus, dau. of Peter de Brus, great-grandson of Robert Brus II. and Agnes Paynel, dau. of Foulques Paynel and Lesceline, dau. of Hasculphe de Subligny. The latter Peter de Mauley and Joan had issue: Peter de Mauley, who m. Nichola de Gand (granddau. of Gilbert de Gand, d. 1241, and Alice de Albini), and niece of Juliana de Gand and Geoffrey de Armenters. Gilbert de Gand was te son of Robert de Gand (and Gunnora d’Albini), br.-in-law to the Colvilles.
7. The Pomeroys were established in Osgodby: Grant by Agnes fil. Johannis Pomerey of Osgoteby, widow to Richard Walldig of Newton, of three selions of land in the fee of Osgoteby (Osgodby, Co. York) in the field called Hallefeld between the lands of Robert de Baryelbe and Robert de Stiycligflet. 1189-1199. (Lancashire Archives, DDTA 149). Quitclaim by John de la Pomeroy of Osgodby (E.R.) to the dean and chapter of York and mag. Adenulf, prebendary of Riccall, of all right in 80 acres of moor in Riccall, March 1277-8.
(1. Ralph Pomeroy, half brother of William Chievre.
2. Joscelin Pomeroy.
3. Henry Pomeroy, assented to his father’s gift to the Abbey of Val, 1125. He m. Rohesia. Renaud Earl of Cornwall granted Roseworthy manor in Cornwall to his sister “Rohesia de Pomeria”. The wife of Henry de la Pomerai was probably not the dau. of Sibyl Corbet and Henry I., and more likely to have been Rohese, dau. of Herbert FitzHerbert, who later married Sibyl Corbet. It is possible that Sibyl Corbet and Henry I. were the parents of Sibyl who married Alexander, king of Scotland.
4. John Pomeroy. (Henry Ellacombe, Hist. Clyst St. George, 1862).
4. Henry Pomeroy, gave land to the Priory of Saint Nicholas at Exeter by the name of Henry, son of Henry de la Pomerai, Rohesia, his mother, and Joscelin, his brother, being witnesses. He m. –
(1) Maud de Vitre (Pole, 281, dau. of Andre de Vitre I., d. 1139, and Agnes, dau. of Robert, count of Mortain), and probable sister of Hawise, wife of Robert de Ferrers; their dau. marrying Ralph Paynel, of Dudley.
(2) Rohesia Bardolf, dau. of Thomas Bardolph (C.P., 11), br. of Hugh Bardolph, father of Robert Bardolph). In Nov. 1177, Andrew de Vitre II (great-grandson of his namesake), gave to William son of Fulk Paynel (d. 1184), with his sister (Alinore de Vitré) in free marriage, that moiety of his land in Normandy that was jointly divided by Fulk Paynel and himself, which he had chosen in Andrew’s manors of Ryes, etc. in Calvados, witnessed by William Paynel (archdeacon of Avranches), Fulk Paynel, and Fulk Paynel the younger.
5. “Johannis de Pomeroy”, by Rohesia Bardolf, cousin of Robert Bardolf, father of the wife of Adam de Hameldun.
6. Samson Pomeroy. The Heraldic Rolls of circa 1327 record the Pomeroy coat-of-arms, ‘or, a lion rampant gules, bordure engrailed sable’. A Paynel crest of this time was ‘a lion rampant vert’.
7. John de Pomeroy, first appears in the Pleas of Assize at York. In 1277, he released interest of land in Riccall, which was in dispute between the Bishop of Durham and the Dean and Chapter of York. In the same year his son, Jordan de Pomeroi, confirmed his father’s quit-claim. John, with the consent of Dyonisia his wife, confirmed all that his father and Dyonisia his mother had given to Selby Abbey. Robert, son of Adam de Osgodby, confirmed the above grants. (Grant by Agnes fil. Johannis Pomerey of Osgoteby, widow to Richard Walldig of Newton, of three selions of land in the fee of Osgoteby (Osgodby,.Co. York.) 1189-1199. (Lancashire Archives, DDTA 149).
8. Jordan de Pomeroy, appears to have d. without male issue, his estates devolving to Adam de Hameldun.
3. William Paynel I., of Drax (d. 1145-7), by Ralph’s second wife, m. (1) a sister of Robert d’Avranches, the half-sister of Robert Avenel.
4. Hugh Paynel I., d. 1178-9, received his father’s lands in Moutiers-Hubert and West Rasen, Lincolnshire, between 1151-1153.
5. Peter Paynel, d. 1184; inherited his father’s lands in Moutiers-Hubert and West Rasen.
6. Hugh Paynel II., b. ca. 1181., lord of West Rasen, who, for the loss of his Norman lands, was given Drax, which had formerly belonged to his cousin, Foulques Paynel II. By is wife, Lettice, relict of William de Keynes, he had issue:
7. John Paynel, d. 1275, lord of Drax, and holding fees in Newhay, held of him by John de Stangrave. He m. Katherine, dau. of Adam de Periton. (Cart. Inq. p. m., i, 633), and niece of Philip Basset. Katherine’s sister, Isabel, m. Baron William de Vesci (a competitor for the Scottish Crown); their great grandson, Sir Adam de Welles, d. 1345, m. Margaret, dau. of Baron John Bardolph; their son m. Maud de Ros, dau. of William de Ros, son of Robert de Ros and Isabel d’Albini.
8. John Paynel, b. 1263, d. July 10, 1287 (Cal. Inq. p. m. ii., 184).
8. Philip Paynel, heir to his brother, b. 1269. Summoned to perform nilitary service against the Scots in 1298. (Writs i. 769).
9. John Paynel, b. 1296, d. 1325. (Gules, a cinquefoil argent).
4. Foulques Paynel I. (d. 1182-3), received his father’s lands in Hambye. He m. Lesceline, dau. of Hasculphe de Subligny and Dyonisa, dau. of Gilbert d’ Avranches, brother of Richard, Viscount d’Avranches. Foulques received the seigniories of Bricquebec, Gacé, Hambie, Bréhal, Fontenay-le-Paisnel, and Haye-Paisnel.
5. William Paynel, d. ca. 1184, m. Eleanor de Vitre.
5. Foulques Paynel, d. bef. 1230, m. Agatha du Hommet, dau of William de Hommet, relict of William de Fougeres.
6. Lucy Paynel, m. Andrew de Vitre.
6. Foulques Paynel, ‘the younger’.
6. William Paynel, d. bef. 1254, m. Petronella de Tesson, lady of Roche-Tesson, dau. of Ralph de Tesson.
7. Ralph Paynel, eventually took the name of Tesson.
App.
Walter de Osgodby
John le Scrope. Inq. made at Lincoln, 28 Dec. 33 Edw. I. (1305). Mentions: “Barton upon Humbre. Four messuages and 80a. arable, held of the king in chief, as of the barony of Gaunt now in the king’s hand, by service of knight’s fee. Joan his sister, aged 30, whom Walter de Osgodeby married, is his next heir”.
“Writ of plenius certiorari, on the petition of Walter de Osgodby and Joan his wife, commanding the escheator to enquire whether Alice de Gand, dau. of Gilbert de Gand the elder, granted to Robert Le Scrope, ancestor of the said Joan, common of pasture called Luttlemersch in Barton upon Humber, or not, and if so, whether the said Robert and his heirs had it continuously until Gilbert de Gaunt, lately deceased, when John Le Scrope, brother of the said Joan, was a minor and in his wardship, caused it to be enclosed, or not, and how much the said common, which the said Walter and Joan claim”.
Findings: “The said Alice enfeoffed the said Robert of common of pasture in Littilmersk, who died seised thereof, as did his son Walter, and John, son of the said Walter, after whose death Robert his son, father of John Scrope lately deceased and of the aforesaid Joan, entered and continued his seisin until Lady Gonora de Gaunt, to whom Gilbert de Gaunt her father gave in free marriage a moiety of Barton, disseised the said Robert; she sold her moiety of Barton to Sir Gilbert de Gaunt, who gave the whole town to the king, whose bailiffs did not permit the said John to use the said common. The said John was not in the wardship of the said Gilbert nor was Robert, his father, disseised by the said Gilbert, but the said John was in the wardship of the said Gonora for eighteen years . She disseised the said Robert in his last days and held the said pasture several, and it is so still. Ten years have elapsed since the said Gilbert enfeoffed the king of Barton, and forty years since the pasture was held several … The said John was aged 40 when he died: he was for eighteen years in the wardship of one Peter de Santon in co. York, and often sought the said common from the said Gilbert, who excused himself with fair words, and when he brought a writ against him always excused himself by the king’s protections, and the said John was always sickly and could not prosecute his right”. File 117.
Walter de Osgodby and Joan his wife to grant messuages, rent, and land in Barton-on-Humber to Adam de Kydale of Barton, Maud his wife, and his heirs, retaining a messuage and land in Colby and land in Yorkshire. Lincoln. William de Snelleslund and Joan his wife to grant rent and land in Barton-on-Humber to the same, retaining land in Barton and Snellesland. Lincoln. (C 143/61/9. 1305).
1307. Adam de Osgodby, clerk, querent, and Walter de Osgodby and Joan, his wife, deforciants. Property: 6 bovates of land, 12 acres of meadow and 34 shillings of rent and 2 parts of 1 messuage in Colby, Heytheby, Wallecote, Normanby, Theuelby and Wynterington’. Plea of covenant. Agreement: Walter and Joan have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Adam, and have rendered them to him in the court, to hold to Adam and his heirs, of the chief lords for ever. And besides Walter and Joan granted for themselves and the heirs of Joan that 3 bovates of land, 6 shillings of rent and a third part of 1 messuage – which Simon del Pyt and Agnes, his wife, held in dower of Agnes – of the inheritance of Joan in Coleby on the day the agreement was made, and which after the decease of Agnes ought to revert to Walter and Joan and the heirs of Joan – after the decease of Agnes shall remain to Adam and his heirs, to hold together with the aforesaid tenements of the chief lords for ever. Warranty. Adam has given them 100 marks of silver. (CP 25/1/135/74, number 19).
1. Walter le Scrope. 2. John le Scrope. 3. Robert le Scrope. 4. John le Scrope. 5. Joan le Scrope, m. Walter de Osgodby. 4. Philip le Scrope, of Flotmanby (d. by 1204). 5. Simon le Scrope, of Flotmanby and Wensley (s.l. 1225). 6. Henry le Scrope, of Flotmanby and Wensley, m. (1213) Julian, dau of Roger Brune, Abbot of Whitby. “Roger, abbot of Whitby, to whom Henry le Scrope and his wife gave 2 oxgangs in Fylingdales (the grant confirmed by her father), held office between 1223 and 1245”. (C. P., vol xi, p. 533). 7. Sir William le Scrope, of Bolton-in-Wensleydale (1214-1296). 8. William le Scrope, of West Bolton (d. 1312), m. Constance, dau. of Giles de Newsham, and sister of Thomas de Newsham, husband of Lucy (dau. of Piers FitzHerbert, Sheriff of Yorkshire), who m. (2) William de Ros, 2nd Baron Of Helmsley, grandson of Robert de Ros and Isabel d’Albini. 9. Geoffrey le Scrope, of Masham (1340), m. Juette Ros, dau of Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe (son of his namesake, above mentioned); one of the twelve competitors for the Scottish crown, based on his grandmother being the eldest illegitimate dau. of ‘William the Lion’. 10. John Scrope, m. Elizabeth Strathbogie, dau. of David Strathbogie, earl of Atholl, and Elizabeth de Ferrers, dau. of Henry de Ferrers and and Isabel de Verdun. David Strathbogie was the son of David Strathbogie and Katherine de Beaumont, dau. of Henry de Beaumont, of Beaumont-sur-Sarthe, joint Warden of Scotland (south of Forth) in 1308, and Alice Comyn, niece and heir of John Comyn, Earl of Buchan, by which marriage he was recognised as Earl of Buchan. Henry Beaumont obtained grants of manors, including Barton-upon-Humber, from King Edward II., his tenant there being Walter and Joan (le Scrope) de Osgodby.
William de Hamelton
Of William de Hamelton, Dean of York, a précis of what was written by William Wilberforce Morrell (The History and Antiquities of Selby, pp. 307-311, 1867) is given:
“In 1281 his merits or his rising influence were recognized in his own county by his appointment to the Prebend of Warthill, in York Cathedral. In 1287 he became Archdeacon of York, and having also filled the office of precentor of Beverley Minster, on the 7th of December, 1298 … he was unanimously elected by the chapter, Dean of York, an office which he held until his death … His judicial functions commenced in 1280, when he is recorded as a justice itinerant … He seems afterwards to have become a clerk in the chancery; and it was probably in that capacity that the great seal was occasionally placed under his care. He acted as vice-chancellor in 1286, during the absence of the chancellor with the king for three years in France, and also on different occasions during the time of the next chancellor … on the 1st of May, 1293, he was appointed, on the nomination of the abbat of Selby, to the rectory of his native parish, which he appropriated to his archdeaconry of York … on the 20th of April, 1302, he and his kinsman, John de Markenfield, clerk, “gave one messuage, one wind-mill, four tofts, and three oxgangs of land, to find one chaplain to celebrate divine offices every day, in honour of the blessed Virgin Mary, in the church of Brayton … “where Alice the mother of the said William now resteth, and to pray for the soul of the said Alice, and the father of the said William”
He was attendant on the king in his last campaign against Scotland, and at the parliament held at Carlisle on the 20th of January, 1307, was admitted by the grace and favour of queen Margaret to her household and hospitality with his officers in attendance—Sir Adam de Osgodeby, keeper of the rolls of chancery; Sir Robert de Bardelby and two others.
It is a pleasant feature in his character to see that he was then surrounded by fellow Yorkshiremen—who had probably also been fellow monks in the monastery of Selby, and the playmates of his youth, and probably owed their promotion to his patronage.
His body was removed to York Minster for interment, where it was buried in the south transept, not far from Archbishop Walter de Grey, and near the chantry which Hamelton had founded. The Great Seal was found in a purse sealed up under his private seal, and was entrusted by the king to the care of his “dear clerks, Adam de Osgodeby, Master John de Caen, and Robert de Bardelby,” to be handed to his successor’.
Chancery clerks were almost invariably educated as priests, thus, claiming descent from them is akin to claiming descent from Queen Elizabeth I.
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Hello Michael,
Thank you for writing this genealogical study of the Paynels. It is very interesting and has clarified the family considerably for me.
The facts that some earlier Paynel family members were also known as de Hameldun/Hamilton, and that some of them appear to have used the Beaumont arms, following the marriage of Gervase Paynel and Isabella, daughter of the Earl of Leicester, makes it seem reasonable to consider whether they had any connection to the Scottish Hamiltons who lived at Cadzow and elsewhere from the late 13th century onwards.
I am not sure whether there is any clear evidence strongly supporting this thought, or if apparent similarities are just coincidental. You have shown how the Paynels had some kinship associations to various families with Scottish connections, and also to the Yorkshire Newmarch family, who pretty certainly had the same almost-unique Y-DNA as today’s so-called Group B Hamilton descendants of the mainline Cadzow Hamilton family.
The name and the heraldry are suggestive, but on the other hand we know, of course, from another website, how tempting and easy it is to spot coincidental similarities between medieval families, place names and coats of arms, and then simply decide that these things are definite proof of what somebody wants them to be!
You say, completely reasonably, that evidence of the Paynel family using the Beaumont armorial is not clear cut, and also “It cannot be discounted that this John de Osgodby received land in Hameldon from his uncle, or that he took the name of Hamilton; or that he adopted the armorial of Robert, Earl of Leicester; or that he went to Scotland. His family had many shared associations with the Colvilles, from whom almost certainly came Walter FitzGilbert (de Hamilton).”
I am sure you feel certain, however, that there is a stronger case for the Scottish Hamiltons being directly descended from Gilbert de Coleville of Rutland. Even if John of Osgodby was alternatively called de Hamilton and might have gone to live in Scotland, it seems clear that his father was not called Gilbert and thus he could not be the John FitzGilbert whose arms are depicted on the Bute mazer. There is, of course, a big difference between something being “probable” and “not impossible”.
Anyway, the similarities are fascinating, such as your mention of Beaumont ownership of Barton-Upon-Humber, part of which was also held by a family of Crispins (ie, probably Coleviles by another name).
I think it is good to examine these points, if probably in the end only to discount or minimise the likelihood that the Scottish Hamiltons were descended from English Paynels/de Hameldons. I will draw your article to the attention of the Hamilton Y-DNA Project, who I know are very interested in your material, although hesitant to reach definite final conclusions on certain details about Hamilton origins.
Thanks again Michael and best wishes to you.
Nick Wormley.
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