The relationship between the FitzRalph and Heriz families was probably one of non-consanguineous cousinship.

1. Geoffrey Alselin, c. 1035-1108; d. before 1109, when Robert son of Henry I. was created Earl of Gloucester.
1.1. Geoffrey Alselinus (Geoffrey de Heriz?), d. by 1129; witnessed a conventio of Henry de Ferrer’s son, Robert, c. 1125.
1.1.1. Ralph Alselinus. ‘In 1131, Ralph Alselin rendered account of 200 marks of silver, and one mark of gold, for the relief of the land of his father, Geoffrey’.
1.2. The Domesday tenant (‘Robert’); synonomous with Robert de Heriz?, Sheriff of Nottingham, 1110-1122 (Judith A. Green, The Government of England under Henry I., p. 221, 1989), and tenant of the Ferrers, whose son, Ivo, b. c. 1086, was also Sheriff of Nottingham. Ivo married Emma de Bilborough, daughter of Herbert de Bilborough, knight of William Peverel I. ‘Erbert, a knight of William Peverel’s, held this Manor (of Gonalston) in the time of King Henry I. and left it to Emma his eldest daughter, and one of his co-heirs, who, marrying to Ivo de Heriz, brought this manor into his family’ (Thomas Cox, Anthony Hall, Robert Morden, Magna Britannia, p. 104, 1738). Emma’s younger sister, Ivicia, obtained Bilborough. Ambrose was also a man of William Peverel I.  He held of him at Strelley, and held the principal manor at Bilborough. It is commonly assumed that  Herbert de Bilborough was his son, but, although this is chronologically sound, there is no proof.

The Register of Derley-Abbey, British Museum, fol. 58. b., states that ‘Walkelin de Derby and Goda his wife gave the mansion in which they dwelt, and which Walkelin had purchased of William Alsin‘.

Walkelin de Ferrers (son of Robert de Ferrers and Margaret Peverel, son of Henry de Ferrers), married Godeheut de Tosni. In Carta Regis Henrici Secundí (Vide Cart. 57 Hen. III. m. 26. Et Pat. 8 Ric. 11. p. 2, m. 3.) par Dugdale, Henry II. confirms donations to Darley Abbey (founded by Robert de Ferrers),’Sciatis me concessisse et prœsenti confirmâsse ecclesiœ sanctie Marias de Derlega’, and ratifies gifts by Ex dono Willielmi de Heriz et Walchellini de Derbeya et Gode uxoris suœ, totam tenuram prœdicti Willielmi de Derbeia, infra burgum et extra, in mansuris …’, which, in the sense of habitacula villicorum, the lord’s chief dwelling house within his fee, suggests that a case can be made for ‘Willielmi de Heriz’ (son of Ivo) and ‘William Alsin’ being different appelations of the same man.

Keats-Rohan’s supposition that Geoffrey Alselin was the son of Alselin is solely based on an assumed relationship between ‘Alselin, a knight of William de Braose’, and Geoffrey Alselin, which would have more merit if successive Alselins had connections to the Braose, which they did not. There was no ‘continuation of association’, which was a feature of Norman ‘feudal’ relationships. Also, if the grounds for ‘Alselin’ being the father of Geoffrey are solely based on the appearance of ‘Hauselinus’ in a charter (of 1080) of St. Florent (an abbey to which William de Braose was a large grantee), then this proposition is not very robust.

1. Eudes de Rye.
1.1. Hubert de Rye, fl. 1066, m. Albreda, dau. of Humphrey de Pont Audomer.
1.1.1. Ralph de Rye of Criche (Derbys.), etc., d 1140, Castellan of Nottingham; held 47 Lordships at the General Surrey.
1.1.1.1. Ralph FitzRalph de Rye, of Criche, m. Matilda …, who m. 2. Ralph de Aincourt.
1.1.1.1.1. Hubert FitzRalph, of Criche, b. c. 1143, d. c. 1225, m. 1. Edelina, dau. of William FitzRalph of Alwodestone, son of Ralph FitzGeremund. (Holdsworth, Rufford Charters, nos 144-145). Hubert came of age c. 1164, having succeeded his father as a minor by c. 1154 (Foulds, Cart. Thurgarton, pp lviii-ix). ‘Filius Germundi, Radulph: ‘Held two fees of Ralph Alselin (Geoffrey’s nephew) and half a fee of Robert of Cauz in 1166. In the Darley cartulary (BL Cotton Titus cix, fol. 65) Alexander Hanselin confirmed a grant by Hawise widow of Ralph fitz Geremund. His daughter Margery was the first wife of Serlo de Grendone, by whom she was the mother of three daughters and five sons according to a history of Dale abbey (Mon. Ang. vi. 2, p. 894), where Ralph had established a hermitage at the site of the later abbey. His heir was his son Willia fitz Ralph, sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire from 1168 to 1180 and seneschal of Normandy from 1178 until his death in 1200. William’s heirs at his death were his three daughters, of whom the eldest, Edelina, was wife of Hubert fitz Ralph of Crick (d. 1225)‘ Keats-Rohan. By his first wife, Edelina, he left two daughters, his co-heiresses, the eldest of whom, Juliana, was married to Anker de Frecheville.
1.1.1.1.1.1. Juliana, m. Ankerus de Freschville, d. 1218-9, “Mandat. est Vic. Noting, quod capiat in man. d’ni Reg. terrain quam Juliana filia Huberti Fil. Radulphi, que mortua est, de d’no Rege tenuit in cap. cujus filii et heredis maritagium Philippus Marc habet de dono d’ni Regis. Dat. 9 Sept. 1221, Rot. Fin. 6 H. III. pt. 1, m. 2.
1.1.2. Hubert de Rye, of Hingham, Norfolk, d. c. 1127, Castellan of Norwich, m. Agnes, dau of Robert de Tosni.
1.1.2.1. Henry de Rye.
1.1.2.2. Isabel de Rye.
1.1.3. Adam de Rye in Kent.
1.1.4. Eudo de Rye, b. c. 1060, d. 1120, Royal Dapifer. ‘Eudo filius Huberti’ alias ‘Eudo Dapifer‘ occurs frequently in Domesday Book. Eudo died at the castle of Preaux, in Normandy, and his body was brought to England, and buried at Colchester, 28 Feb. 1120. Cf. Dugd. i. 109, 110. He m. Roesia, dau. of Richard FitzGilbert de Clare and Rohese Gifford.
1.1.4.1. Margaret de Rye, m. William de Mandeville, d. 1130.
1.1.5. Albreda de Rye, m. Piers de Valognes, fl. 1086.

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